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Debug Backplane Fixes (RevB errata) #23
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Moving from #26 here:
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USB Hub ResetReboot: Hub still good I'm guessing just asserting BackplaneReset at boot will be sufficient |
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Literally every screw? Or the 4 gnd testpoints at various spots on the
board?
…On Feb 20, 2017 1:21 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***> wrote:
- No easily accessible ground post for probing
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Sorry, first message was unclear. I edited it to include the real intent, which is the ground connections on oscilloscope leads, which are too big and would short to other pins on the 0.1" headers and cannot latch on to round-headed screws. |
I'm a fan of the ground bar-like thing. Draw a rectangular poly of exposed ground metal along the edge so that leads can just clip to the pcb. |
You should unscrew one of the feet for now
…On Feb 20, 2017 1:39 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***> wrote:
I'm a fan of the ground bar-like thing. Draw a rectangular poly of exposed
ground metal along the edge so that leads can just clip to the pcb.
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Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane, you can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for that module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly even when the programming switch is set to it. |
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I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable and
disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think that a
module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning the switch
to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would inevitably
forget.
There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the duration
of programming that could make this happen though.
…On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***> wrote:
- Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller app
Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane, you
can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for that
module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly even when
the programming switch is set to it.
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Yeah, the whole flashing / dev story needs a little work. Currently we have
the annoying problem where flashing one quite often tends to leave other
boards in the "i2c lines stuck low until reset" state that the SAM4L likes
to get into.
The big hammer is obviously to put all boards into reset during a flash,
power on the target module forcefully, and then take things out of reset -
but that could be obnoxious in practice. I'd rather understand this buggy
i2c state
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM Joshua Adkins <notifications@github.com>
wrote:
… I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable and
disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think that a
module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning the switch
to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would inevitably
forget.
There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the duration
of programming that could make this happen though.
On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***>
wrote:
>
> - Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller app
>
> Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane, you
> can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for that
> module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly even
when
> the programming switch is set to it.
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The buggy I2C state is a separate issue, which I worry we will never be
able to fix because it's a chip bug (although the first thing I would try
is adding a few extra jlink resets at the end of the flashing script).
…On Feb 21, 2017 12:53 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***> wrote:
Yeah, the whole flashing / dev story needs a little work. Currently we have
the annoying problem where flashing one quite often tends to leave other
boards in the "i2c lines stuck low until reset" state that the SAM4L likes
to get into.
The big hammer is obviously to put all boards into reset during a flash,
power on the target module forcefully, and then take things out of reset -
but that could be obnoxious in practice. I'd rather understand this buggy
i2c state
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM Joshua Adkins ***@***.***>
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> I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable and
> disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think that a
> module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
> problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning the
switch
> to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would inevitably
> forget.
>
> There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the
duration
> of programming that could make this happen though.
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > - Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller app
> >
> > Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane, you
> > can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for that
> > module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly even
> when
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Yeah.. adding jlink resets won't help. It's _other_ SAM4Ls that aren't
being flashed that tend to hold low it in my experience.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM Joshua Adkins <notifications@github.com>
wrote:
… The buggy I2C state is a separate issue, which I worry we will never be
able to fix because it's a chip bug (although the first thing I would try
is adding a few extra jlink resets at the end of the flashing script).
On Feb 21, 2017 12:53 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***> wrote:
> Yeah, the whole flashing / dev story needs a little work. Currently we
have
> the annoying problem where flashing one quite often tends to leave other
> boards in the "i2c lines stuck low until reset" state that the SAM4L
likes
> to get into.
>
> The big hammer is obviously to put all boards into reset during a flash,
> power on the target module forcefully, and then take things out of reset
-
> but that could be obnoxious in practice. I'd rather understand this buggy
> i2c state
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM Joshua Adkins ***@***.***>
> wrote:
>
> > I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable and
> > disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think that a
> > module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
> > problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning the
> switch
> > to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would inevitably
> > forget.
> >
> > There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the
> duration
> > of programming that could make this happen though.
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > - Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller app
> > >
> > > Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane, you
> > > can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for
that
> > > module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly
even
> > when
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Really? That's not what I've found. Usually if I hit the reset button on
the one I'm flashing it works.
…On Feb 21, 2017 1:03 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***> wrote:
Yeah.. adding jlink resets won't help. It's _other_ SAM4Ls that aren't
being flashed that tend to hold low it in my experience.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM Joshua Adkins ***@***.***>
wrote:
> The buggy I2C state is a separate issue, which I worry we will never be
> able to fix because it's a chip bug (although the first thing I would try
> is adding a few extra jlink resets at the end of the flashing script).
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 12:53 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***>
wrote:
>
> > Yeah, the whole flashing / dev story needs a little work. Currently we
> have
> > the annoying problem where flashing one quite often tends to leave
other
> > boards in the "i2c lines stuck low until reset" state that the SAM4L
> likes
> > to get into.
> >
> > The big hammer is obviously to put all boards into reset during a
flash,
> > power on the target module forcefully, and then take things out of
reset
> -
> > but that could be obnoxious in practice. I'd rather understand this
buggy
> > i2c state
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM Joshua Adkins <
***@***.***>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable and
> > > disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think
that a
> > > module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
> > > problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning the
> > switch
> > > to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would inevitably
> > > forget.
> > >
> > > There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the
> > duration
> > > of programming that could make this happen though.
> > >
> > > On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > - Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller app
> > > >
> > > > Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane,
you
> > > > can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for
> that
> > > > module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly
> even
> > > when
> > > > the programming switch is set to it.
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I just assumed something about pressing the button reset the chip
differently
…On Feb 21, 2017 1:04 PM, "Joshua Adkins" ***@***.***> wrote:
Really? That's not what I've found. Usually if I hit the reset button on
the one I'm flashing it works.
On Feb 21, 2017 1:03 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***> wrote:
> Yeah.. adding jlink resets won't help. It's _other_ SAM4Ls that aren't
> being flashed that tend to hold low it in my experience.
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM Joshua Adkins ***@***.***>
> wrote:
>
> > The buggy I2C state is a separate issue, which I worry we will never be
> > able to fix because it's a chip bug (although the first thing I would
> try
> > is adding a few extra jlink resets at the end of the flashing script).
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2017 12:53 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, the whole flashing / dev story needs a little work. Currently we
> > have
> > > the annoying problem where flashing one quite often tends to leave
> other
> > > boards in the "i2c lines stuck low until reset" state that the SAM4L
> > likes
> > > to get into.
> > >
> > > The big hammer is obviously to put all boards into reset during a
> flash,
> > > power on the target module forcefully, and then take things out of
> reset
> > -
> > > but that could be obnoxious in practice. I'd rather understand this
> buggy
> > > i2c state
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM Joshua Adkins <
> ***@***.***>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable and
> > > > disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think
> that a
> > > > module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
> > > > problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning the
> > > switch
> > > > to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would
> inevitably
> > > > forget.
> > > >
> > > > There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the
> > > duration
> > > > of programming that could make this happen though.
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" ***@***.***
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller
> app
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane,
> you
> > > > > can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for
> > that
> > > > > module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly
> > even
> > > > when
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Often is too strong. I'd say.. 75% of the time the one I flashed, maybe 25%
of the time another chip on the network somewhere. But at this point I'm
just in the habit of resetting all of them, so my empirical evidence isn't
great. Maybe I can unlearn that habit.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:04 PM Joshua Adkins <notifications@github.com>
wrote:
… Really? That's not what I've found. Usually if I hit the reset button on
the one I'm flashing it works.
On Feb 21, 2017 1:03 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***> wrote:
> Yeah.. adding jlink resets won't help. It's _other_ SAM4Ls that aren't
> being flashed that tend to hold low it in my experience.
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM Joshua Adkins ***@***.***>
> wrote:
>
> > The buggy I2C state is a separate issue, which I worry we will never be
> > able to fix because it's a chip bug (although the first thing I would
try
> > is adding a few extra jlink resets at the end of the flashing script).
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2017 12:53 PM, "Pat Pannuto" ***@***.***>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, the whole flashing / dev story needs a little work. Currently
we
> > have
> > > the annoying problem where flashing one quite often tends to leave
> other
> > > boards in the "i2c lines stuck low until reset" state that the SAM4L
> > likes
> > > to get into.
> > >
> > > The big hammer is obviously to put all boards into reset during a
> flash,
> > > power on the target module forcefully, and then take things out of
> reset
> > -
> > > but that could be obnoxious in practice. I'd rather understand this
> buggy
> > > i2c state
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM Joshua Adkins <
> ***@***.***>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am actually pretty strongly against this unless you can enable
and
> > > > disable it strictly when the jlink is actually flashing. I think
> that a
> > > > module staying on when the controller wants it off would be more
> > > > problematic in the long run, and I don't think requiring turning
the
> > > switch
> > > > to be selecting none of the boards is viable, as you would
inevitably
> > > > forget.
> > > >
> > > > There is probably a jlink signal that could switch on/off for the
> > > duration
> > > > of programming that could make this happen though.
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 21, 2017 12:31 PM, "Branden Ghena" <
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> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Enable programming of modules even without a valid controller
app
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, when you just plug a module in to the debug backplane,
> you
> > > > > can't program it unless the controller has disabled isolation for
> > that
> > > > > module. One solution to this would be powering modules explicitly
> > even
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My experience is basically 100% of the time it's the fault of the one I just flashed and that resetting the just flashed module fixes the issue. |
Have we tried just running JLinkExe and resetting a few times to see if
that fixes it?
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My experience is basically 100% of the time it's the fault of the one I
just flashed and that resetting the just flashed module fixes the issue.
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HACK for debug backplane Added delay for debug backplane "radio" clock to stabilize. Without it GPIOs were not stabilizing. #23
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